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	<title>Comments on: Gospel-Centered Legalism</title>
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	<description>Welcome to the blog of Pastor Bill Streger. I'm the Lead Pastor of Kaleo Church in Houston, TX. I love my wife (&#60;a href="http://stregerfamily.com"&#62;Shannon&#60;/a&#62;), my baby girl (&#60;a href="http://web.mac.com/kaleobill/iWeb/Site/Birthday%20Shoot.html"&#62;Mirabelle&#60;/a&#62;), and my city.</description>
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		<title>By: Kaylene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. This is convicting... You very clearly defined a very fine line. It's something thats been bothering me (about my own views!) and that I haven't been able to put my finger on until now. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. This is convicting&#8230; You very clearly defined a very fine line. It&#8217;s something thats been bothering me (about my own views!) and that I haven&#8217;t been able to put my finger on until now. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Links — DashHouse.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturday Links — DashHouse.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is it possible to be legalistic about gospel-centrality? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Is it possible to be legalistic about gospel-centrality? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Baxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jared. This whole thread is a good topic, and I didn't 'get' that comment. Have a great weekend everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jared. This whole thread is a good topic, and I didn&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; that comment. Have a great weekend everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, Steve may not check back, but I am 99.9% sure he is joking. That's how he rolls. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, Steve may not check back, but I am 99.9% sure he is joking. That&#8217;s how he rolls. <img src='http://kaleobill.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Drew K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating discussion as I loved Horton's Christless Christianity until I got to the end where he showed his Reformed-in the-narrow-sense cards. His sacramentalism, etc. Being "more Reformed than thou". His diagnosis is so right-on but the prescription left something to be desired. It was anti-climactic.  I'll read Frames review now. I have Horton's new one and I'm sure I'll have a slightly different perspective now, but enjoy it nonetheless. I was actually going to begin reading it today. Wow! Can you say Providence?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating discussion as I loved Horton&#8217;s Christless Christianity until I got to the end where he showed his Reformed-in the-narrow-sense cards. His sacramentalism, etc. Being &#8220;more Reformed than thou&#8221;. His diagnosis is so right-on but the prescription left something to be desired. It was anti-climactic.  I&#8217;ll read Frames review now. I have Horton&#8217;s new one and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll have a slightly different perspective now, but enjoy it nonetheless. I was actually going to begin reading it today. Wow! Can you say Providence?!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Baxter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Mccoy,

Was your comment,
 [This is what I understood from your post…“Blah Blah, I hate Tim Keller, Blah Blah” Did I understand your post correctly?] an inside joke, sarcasm, or a legit expression? Curious,
Robert Baxter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Mccoy,</p>
<p>Was your comment,<br />
 [This is what I understood from your post…“Blah Blah, I hate Tim Keller, Blah Blah” Did I understand your post correctly?] an inside joke, sarcasm, or a legit expression? Curious,<br />
Robert Baxter</p>
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		<title>By: Zach B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point. And whereas I agree it would be dangerous to simply talk about being gospel centered and not live gospel centered, isn't this true of every doctrine? There is danger of taking any theological truth and holding its &lt;strong&gt;understanding&lt;/strong&gt; of its role in our lives as more important than the practical implementation in our daily lives. (My understanding of my salvation humbles me vs. Hey my understanding of my salvation is better than yours) Is the proposed solution to speak less of gospel centeredness? 
The idea of Gospel centered parenting is somewhat a new one, an idea that parenting can be done in light of preparing a childs heart for the reception of the gospel by creating a culture of being unable to follow the law completely - the need for a savior. We shouldn't be overly wary of a practice that has "gospel centered." It doesn't  necessarily make it bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point. And whereas I agree it would be dangerous to simply talk about being gospel centered and not live gospel centered, isn&#8217;t this true of every doctrine? There is danger of taking any theological truth and holding its <strong>understanding</strong> of its role in our lives as more important than the practical implementation in our daily lives. (My understanding of my salvation humbles me vs. Hey my understanding of my salvation is better than yours) Is the proposed solution to speak less of gospel centeredness?<br />
The idea of Gospel centered parenting is somewhat a new one, an idea that parenting can be done in light of preparing a childs heart for the reception of the gospel by creating a culture of being unable to follow the law completely - the need for a savior. We shouldn&#8217;t be overly wary of a practice that has &#8220;gospel centered.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t  necessarily make it bad.</p>
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		<title>By: kaleobill</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaleobill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared just summed it up really well. 

Let me be clear: The gospel is the center of our faith, it is the beginning and end of Christianity, and we can never be too focused on the finished work of Jesus on our behalf. Any sermon that calls us to action but does not herald the redemptive work of God through Christ on behalf of His people is incomplete. The gospel can never be assumed or implied - we must make it explicit. (Which I hope you will hear if you ever &lt;a href="http://kaleohouston.com/podcast" rel="nofollow"&gt;listen to me preach.&lt;/a&gt;)

My worry is not that we would be to centered on the gospel, but that rather than actually being centered on the gospel itself we would become enamored with "Gospel-Centered" as a catchphrase that includes all of our own theological distinctives and excludes those who don't share them. 

My fear is that we will create insider language and jargon that becomes the qualifiers for whether or not we judge someone to be orthodox, rather than what they actually believe. 

My fear is that "gospel-centered" would become "the next big thing" in Christian marketing and countless pastors will use it as a badge of honor to wear (much like "missional" has become over the past decade) rather than a true state of our hearts.

My fear is that instead of actually being gospel-centered we would settle for simply talking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared just summed it up really well. </p>
<p>Let me be clear: The gospel is the center of our faith, it is the beginning and end of Christianity, and we can never be too focused on the finished work of Jesus on our behalf. Any sermon that calls us to action but does not herald the redemptive work of God through Christ on behalf of His people is incomplete. The gospel can never be assumed or implied - we must make it explicit. (Which I hope you will hear if you ever <a href="http://kaleohouston.com/podcast" rel="nofollow">listen to me preach.</a>)</p>
<p>My worry is not that we would be to centered on the gospel, but that rather than actually being centered on the gospel itself we would become enamored with &#8220;Gospel-Centered&#8221; as a catchphrase that includes all of our own theological distinctives and excludes those who don&#8217;t share them. </p>
<p>My fear is that we will create insider language and jargon that becomes the qualifiers for whether or not we judge someone to be orthodox, rather than what they actually believe. </p>
<p>My fear is that &#8220;gospel-centered&#8221; would become &#8220;the next big thing&#8221; in Christian marketing and countless pastors will use it as a badge of honor to wear (much like &#8220;missional&#8221; has become over the past decade) rather than a true state of our hearts.</p>
<p>My fear is that instead of actually being gospel-centered we would settle for simply talking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not read Bill to be saying you could be centered on the gospel too much.

I don't believe it's possible to be too God-centered, too Christ-centered, too gospel-centered.

I read Bill to be saying we can be centered on the conceptualization of "gospel centrality" so much we actually miss real gospel centrality. I think some of the comments demonstrate this, and I believe Chris's critique of Pete Wilson's sermon demonstrated it vividly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not read Bill to be saying you could be centered on the gospel too much.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s possible to be too God-centered, too Christ-centered, too gospel-centered.</p>
<p>I read Bill to be saying we can be centered on the conceptualization of &#8220;gospel centrality&#8221; so much we actually miss real gospel centrality. I think some of the comments demonstrate this, and I believe Chris&#8217;s critique of Pete Wilson&#8217;s sermon demonstrated it vividly.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, it like saying "I feel like I focus too much on what God has done for me." I imagine God smiling down and saying, "You haven't even come close to understanding what I have done for you." Its like people who don't read their bibles for fear of being legalistic; I say if that's your struggle then, BE legalistic about reading your bible but while doing that, read passages about how our salvation is not contingent on our works. And pray that the Spirit opens your eyes.
Too focused on being gospel centered?! Oh may it be the case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, it like saying &#8220;I feel like I focus too much on what God has done for me.&#8221; I imagine God smiling down and saying, &#8220;You haven&#8217;t even come close to understanding what I have done for you.&#8221; Its like people who don&#8217;t read their bibles for fear of being legalistic; I say if that&#8217;s your struggle then, BE legalistic about reading your bible but while doing that, read passages about how our salvation is not contingent on our works. And pray that the Spirit opens your eyes.<br />
Too focused on being gospel centered?! Oh may it be the case!</p>
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